We're Already Living in a New Time - On the Metacrisis and a New Worldview

• New consciousness of time is an emergent, relational, and complex temporal imaginary involving nonlinear entanglements of past, present, and future.
• Slowing down and becoming senseful are essential practices to navigate information overload and reconnect with ecological and social relationships.
• A shift from clock-time and progress-driven futurism to a Gaian realism and bioregional temporality is necessary for sustainable planetary culture.
• Art and poetry play a crucial role in expressing and enacting emergent worldviews and new subjectivities.
• The self is relational and chimeric, embedded within ecological and ancestral networks, requiring a spiritual and imaginative engagement.
• Metamorphosis and transformation are ongoing natural processes that humans are invited to consciously participate in.
• Practical actions include gardening, local economic localization, labor democratization, and bioregional coordination.
• The spiritual principle or creative origin underpins these changes and calls for a “yes” to transformation rather than self-destruction.

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[Music] so here we are hey everybody Welcome to we're already living in a new time and uh this was sort of a spontaneous uh article series that came together alongside the perspectiva temporex month and here at mutations in the substack it's kind of always tempor month if you frame it that way so uh I figured it would be nice for us to get together answer some more questions Deep dive a little bit around the philosophy of time consciousness of time uh answer any questions about gs's


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work particularly for those of you who are new to gser especially uh there are some new readers that had some really good questions and comments and even critiques uh that I would love to be able to just address and explore with you um but before we go into the Q&A maybe we could do a brief recap of what we were talking about in in the article what I was talking about so it's this sort of like P the challenging question right like we can't talk about the meta crisis we can't talk about emergent


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worldview without talking about a new consciousness of time and that this new consciousness of time is a kind of in the words words of char Taylor uh a background experience that suffuses everyday life and it's already something that's a part of our everyday lives in a way that is nearly Universal it's a strange way that the universal kind of creeps back into our postmodern experience through the experience of the climate shift through the experience of universal destabilization and the


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collapse of uh very material um and very specific re orientation towards time and space that's been sort of uh running the planet for the past few hundred years in the modern era so the collapse of that is also the inverse of it sort of Shadow or negative version of it is giving us an image of the emergent planetary culture as well so we can kind of look look at where things are falling apart to get a sense of what's emerging and and that's kind of the the point I'm making in this series uh and again


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prontal in the sense that it's a background experience um this also a hiigaran term uh uh this pre onology and I like that because it it adds a level of um accessibility that I think if we are too emphasizing particularly in like metamodern circles Etc of a stagis orientation right a stages model where everyone has to kind of get to a particular level of thinking in order to understand what's going on I don't think that's necessarily the case we have the ability and I I would hope that we would


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have the ability in our circles to begin to sense into the the ways in which there's a collective shared new experience that's going on um and yes there's some more rarified ways of understanding it and I think that's what the article series is going into for instance you know this new relationship with time which is a little weird the the kind of ever presence of the past and the future in the present the ways in which you know fossil fuels that are burning layer time or deepen time and


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entangle us in the activities of our recent ancestors number one and number two even further back going way way back to you know just using the fossil fuels so we have to have this kind of evolutionary time that's also being drawn up into the present um there's also a sense in which the burning of fossil fuels in our present is affecting uh the future Generations too and so The Unborn so there's this weird time entanglement that's going on in our everyday lives just with the particular


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presence of a strange series of storms or extra rainfall or strange temperatures for our time of year um ecosystem effects as well but climate and temps this is something andreus Mal brings up in his book in the progress of the storm uh climate and Temps temperature is a very interesting word for or temp is a very interesting word for climate because it means two things it means both the weather but it also means temperature and it means time so there's this entanglement in time meaning something that has a quality


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again right and it's not necessarily a quality that we find to be um a good one right it's sort of anxiety inducing time brings in this quality of uh Soul Nostalgia or anticipatory grief time brings in this sense of the weirdness of we right but it's also bringing back the weather it's bringing back forms of time as quality rather than just mere clock time that's sort of one of these examples of that kind of the the negative image of the future is being is showing up in the destabilizations in


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the sort of chaotic flux that we're all dealing with today so planetary thinking I mentioned this in the article as well right um climate ecology complexity uh the New World View right is all of us are being owned by it but none of us own it right or all of us are being moved by it but none of us own it um one of the examples is uh you know I think we have a few examples of like science fiction literature that really dives into this uh I think a half-built garden is a very good example I think


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Ruth emis is is is the author's name uh there's a psalm for the wild built by Becky Chambers and uh more recently as well there's the actual Star by Monica burn I think these are really good examples of Science Fiction Eco literature um that we can begin exploring um so what I think I'm saying in the article when it comes down to it is the work that we really need is work that actually Identify some of these underlying themes and and characteristics of this immersion worldview right and then I think we need


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a lot more experimentation with this uh a lot more experimentation with these characteristics how can we engage them pedag ically how can we enact them socially right gesturing vaguely towards mystified emergent processes and saying well something's emerging something's emerging is is fine uh I think it's it's a good place to begin but I personally get frustrated when we sort of leave the conversation there and not actually touch on what is present in the present what is being worked on you know in


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terms of what's working on us in the present so I also made a discernment in that first article right between epistemic humility on the one hand and then mystification on the other and I have nothing there's nothing wrong with mysticism I write quite a bit about that in in my substack as well but I think mystification I'm using that in this in this context is a kind of hand waving or gesturing vaguely towards immersion processes without really wanting to touch on them or be uh affected by them


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right because they would mean something genuinely transformative for us in our present and I don't know if we're all ready for that right I think there's a particular challenge here when we touch into this pre onology and touch into the ways in which this emergent worldview is beginning to challenge our ways of thinking and being in the world um so I I think you know one of the good examples for this is uh you know not just pedagogical tools that might help us like learn think differently with


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time and complexity but also uh having a clearer sense of our long-term thinking right and uh homo curan right so there's a historical consciousness which comes along with this worldview that recognizes a a deep time awareness right that the present is necessarily involved in um and we that we necessarily need in order to navigate towards a habitable future uh the ways in which historically we've made and remade ourselves both politically and economically our relationship with time and space and


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self identity have gone through through these series of transformations in the past having an awareness that we've done that before can help us both uh understand the ways in which we're constricted today by those same forces and then also how we might be able to begin transforming them but we need tools to help us with that right uh these are both uh I would say this characteristic if I were to name it is a both a tool in the sense that it's a it's access to a plasticity of cultural imagination right


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uh it's both what's necessary but then also it's a feature of the emergent worldview this plasticity and characteristic transparency of our social institutions our relationship with the more than human right our relationship with past and future uh but we can't have this transparency or this plasticity without recognizing that the sort of main theme that I'm talking about here with the emerging worldview is a new temporal imaginary a new consciousness of time uh as Shrea Horvat talks about you know


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we need a Time Beyond progress and if that doesn't exist we need to work on inventing it a time that's compatible with a kind of guyan realism the realism of our uh watersheds for instance is is is a good way of thinking about that and rooting that into your relationship with present and place um so generally speaking then I think I'm arguing for uh the construction of a new temporal imaginary as as our kind of project in our initiative here uh we also need to reframe our role a little bit right so


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remember the epistemic humility so uh this is something I don't think I wrote too much about in the in the article but I think uh we need to be careful with the kind of heroism or savior complex that a lot of us may hold in these subcultures right as if we have all of the answers uh or as if we're we're kind of doing the valorous heroic work of kind of figuring it all out um the kind of changes that I think this new world view are exhibiting or sort of emphasizing are um much more diminutive


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in many ways right they're much more akin to Sam gamji and the Lord of the Rings right working towards planting things and growing things and restoring a relationship with places that have been um uh their relationship have has been severed in some way and has to be restored you know there's a gardening emphasis with Sam so I think he's a good example and the fact that he's a hobbit too there's a kind of um a diminutive uh small which is a greatness that I think is is uh one of the characteristics here


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so all this to be uh to kind of sum up uh we need a temporal imaginary that holds the promise of a different kind of futurism right one that hopefully helps us reclaim time from progress number one and then two Rea reclaim futurism from techn futurism right as I wrote about in the in the article we need a kind of temporal imaginary that knows how to talk about how to live after the tech no modernist dream has ended right and it already has and I think in part two of the series I I I go into this a little


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bit um more explicitly and just in this section what I'm writing about you know if we're being moved by this new and ancient guy in realism then our task seems to be to turn this into a more conscious creative relationship rather than an unconscious one where we're being destabilized by these new themes how can we turn towards these new characteristics in a more constructive way rather than destructive work with this guy in realism and by doing by doing that I'm talking about producing


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works of art and Imagination that Foster these new futures um I'm talking about you know beob Bard's term future abilities right uh this is an epistemic and a pedagogical activity right uh and these are very instructive towards instilling new subjectivities in us right uh new regenerative cultural practices that Daniel Christian B talks about um and I also mentioned this too right to kind of get to the point about the sort of radicality in the present if we really begin to look at it I think uh


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I mentioned this in sort of the Q&A section of part two uh with Mark Fischer's psychedelic reason there's a way in which you know I think the countercultural elements of our communities can be uh situated in a more constructive and healthy way right and Mark fiser was drawing from Spinoza's work and talking about this you know healing of the individual right happens through the distribution of responsibility in the collective right the diagnosis moves beyond the individual and back towards a social


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context and the healing Journey then becomes synonymous with a social transformation a material transformation so I think connecting those dots is very important for us if we're not going to just create health and wellness retreats and and sort of uh Escape back into orbit uh and away from the kinds of immediacies that uh this new worldview is challenging us to begin to live and enact right you must change your life as Roa says um and then part three right just to kind of sum up some of the those


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themes I think it was just much more of a poetic attempt to kind of get to uh the the the imagination of of of this new temporality right um and some of the key key fa characteristics of time and space and identity that I only just briefly touched on in that in that article um so I described it as a kind of planetary mentality and that it weaves this more complex relationship with past present and future ancestors and unborn and of course living systems that are not just systems uh but it also articulates a different sense of self


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and a different place of agency right agency is not just on the individual end there's there's now a kind of a recognition of a transparency between the self and the more than human and the self in the social context the self and as see on um what's his name gosh I'm just totally driving a blank here um he talks about trans individuation uh and it's this notion that okay the self and the individuation of the self is a relational one individuation never occurs simply as an individual it's more of an ecosystem of


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relationships and influences that brings us into being and that we in turn in part bring other beings into being as well by being present right so there's a kind of medicine bundle orientation here about the self that's very very clear um yeah there there's also you know a a way in which this moves into a deeper philosophical or metaphysical question about what does it mean to be a self and for those of you who are interested I would recommend uh um coia's work called it's called


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metamorphosis and uh I've bring been bringing it up in my patreon uh and uh talks recently in the recent fragments class but uh it's a quite a wonderful book but it has this kind of chimeral sense of what it means to be an individual being which I think is just lovely it's ecological and I think in a very Garian sense with gaber's work a perspectival um a perspectival was gst's term for uh moving beyond that subject object relationship of of modernity and the Renaissance this that that sort of ego


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eify subject object cartesianism right where we stand apart from space measure it the a perspectival is far more relational more temporal and then also it has these kind of strange transparencies where to be is to be in relation right as I write about in the article to be is to be transparent transparent to the chimeric to the multiple and becoming an individuation then becomes a relational activity as well so identity shifts uh our relationship with space and time is Shifting and particularly the the space


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space part I think is interesting to to mention here too and again we I only touched on this very light details in that last piece uh the space in the AP perspective will turn in this new worldview is much more relational in the sense that scale is jumping and shifting and oscillating between near and far and big and small it's very hard to make a kind of causal sequence with this sort of attitude there's more of pattern recognition there's more of configurations of relationships dist


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uted across time and space that might be more poetically or better poetically expressed than necessarily systematically uh but it's that kind of relationship that we see and I gave the example of Lin marilus is uh looking under the microscope and to emphasize that in the article too the microcosmic activities of these little organisms uh in the microscope are entangled in these vast large homeostatic processes of Gaia right so there's this entanglement of the big and the small the near and the


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far and these little temporal processes with these macrohistorical billion multi-billion year processes of the regulation of Gaia right the growing of this sort of planetary patina that margalus talks about so that's a really good way to start thinking about what what's the kind of space we inhabit if we don't inhabit the latitude and the longitude of the perspectival globe uh what's the kind of how do we envision space in this new world view uh think margulis is is a wonderful place to


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start um and then I think this is something I'll be talking about next month in in the revisioning the history of Consciousness uh uh uh talk um this sense of and the the article as well talking about time as the zigzag uh this sense that the way in which unfoldment occurs is also not something that occurs in in a causal sequence uh there's many ways in which the past is entangled with the the future in a very nonlinear way right there's certain forms and morphologies in biology that I talk


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about in my class sometimes uh like the nautilus shell and uh uh seapods how you know the the exteriorized shell of these of these um ancient squid and and octopi these seop pods uh became interiorized and became a kind of bone or or uh navigational uh uh structure very bone likee called the the gladish I think and in squid or um the Gladius in Squid uh so there's a sense in which the bones of the ancestors become the bodies of the future right I I want us to kind of think in this sort of stretching and


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folding and zigzaggy kind of way where past eras or EPO or cultural Technologies I'm thinking of traditional ecological knowledge right indigenous knowledge being in relationship with land and place uh in a more animistic orientation uh zigzag their way into the future and become relevant again and interesting and new ad mixtures with the modern and the modern isn't necessarily the the um uh the the bridge to this emergent future it becomes much more relational and it needs to be in a kind


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of symbiosis with the many different cultural codes that have existed in our in our beautiful history so I'll be talking a bit more about that in uh in that essay but and in the presentation so I don't want to take up too much more time I know it's almost been 45 minutes or so so maybe it would be a good moment to kind of open up the space uh get into some Q&A and and see where we're all at um and if there's totally adjacent questions about previous talks or writing that would also be okay I think


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if we're just in orbit around some of these questions that would be great so um the way it works is just raise your hand if if you know how to do that on zoom and we'll try to call in folks and relatively ironically linear order and if you don't know how to work that button you can also just kind of wave and I'll keep an eye out for you yeah Lisa hi is it me yes okay so hi nice to see you again the gapsa uh class together long ago um well I didn't really follow all I I read a bit in your subtech but uh I'm


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like new uh in a way uh but very interested especially in this time um uh issue with gapsa and I just want to share a bit uh where I am at and and how I experience uh I didn't I can't you you you um mentioned so many aspects so I of course I can can get can't get to all of it but I recently listened to Bonita Roy and she was talking about this time issue as well it's not long ago this we video and she uh she said this arrangement of of past and future not like the linear but like more um here


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and there and everywhere kind of of mode and um I think um as also about the the self you mentioned I think the basic identification in the mental uh area is like we go on a path from birth to to death and actually it's a pretty depress depressing because there is no afterlife in the in the mo modern View but it's like I am on a path and it leads me to all kinds of progress and interesting experiences and uh with all the complexity we um are faced uh in our world I think what what made a switch in


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my in my mind was um I'm I'm experiencing what we call all this information overflow might also be this um change of of uh incidents in time right it's not like the line it's not linear it's like it pops up from here and there and all this um confusion many people experience might also have to do with this new arrangement of of past and future which is uh normally called this in for overflow right um and this this was very interesting for me because what what I do when I experience all this complexity


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and this may also be uh in line with with gapsa aaic uh presence is that I don't want to control all this anymore but what pops up and comes into my presence I'm dealing with uh and of course we have also uh um this ritual and and cyclic times uh and and Arrangements in our life like the year and and and Christmas and all kinds of stuff and we also have linear U projects uh but it's not the general attitude to to uh approach life and to see our eles anymore it's like a Sub sub um category


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that's practical for some U occasions but not like I am on this path but I am more like I'm in the presents and all kinds of past and future um things jump on me um to to say it a little bit um yes um that's that's how I experience it and and it would interest me if you could say anything about that and if this goes in is aligned with what you might uh want to to tell us or or or teach us yeah that's great that's great I I uh I think that's a very good attitude that you you have towards the present I think


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um not to make it too much of a left brain thing but you know there is so much information in the present to move move more into that kind of relational right brain I'm just sort of thinking or referencing the goist in this in this moment um you know the present is always available to us as a kind of living relational space where it's not just knowledge and information that becomes available it's relationships that become available I I think in order to really live in relationship with the


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present it requires us to slow down it requires a new um a new attitude towards the present which is a very deep and personal one right it we need to be able to slow down enough to catch those kinds of relationships and to be informed on what we do in relation to them right like I my activity is informed by being able to slow down being in relationship with the present and what is needed in the present what arises in the present so there's a kind of contemplative orientation here but I think it's also


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very like beautifully pH philosophical and I again I I mention this book all the time B Chan's short little essay the scent of time or he's bring bringing in Pro and PR relationship with time that time needs a scent we need to slow down enough to be able to catch the scent of time whether it's a Metaline or something else it's that senseful relationship with time in the present that enables us to to flow and and be in a kind of um informed Dynamic with with our present moment right to help us


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shift away from information to overload which I think is very um desensitizing we we we are in a kind of mediated environment where there's hyperactivation constantly uh we're not really in an environment as as much as poetically some of us are some of us artists are like William Gibson who wrote about this in pattern recognition um there's there there's not everyone has that kind of experience with the information overflow right um but I'm also thinking of james' attitude in in


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Dune right uh I think this is at least in in the film version right that the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience it it's a process that we have to understand not by stopping it but by moving with it joining with it flowing with it right there's this attitude of of moving with the present that I think is very much uh gaps serian themed so I think you're you're definitely on to um um a very Garian attitude here just in terms of of how to be with the present and how when


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we are present relationships start to bloom uh what is alive in us what is alive in relationship with us starts to become a bit more clarified in a much more senseful way and this might actually bring us away from some of the giant sociopolitical questions and and internet buzz and more towards kind of a daily activities or or social relational activities in our particular I use the term bio region but uh I I do think you know it does bring us back into those kinds of um orientations and and we need


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that right now there needs to be kind of a radical temporis a radical slowing down uh which allows for radicality right relationality the roots to to come forward um so yes thank you uh great comment and great prompt to sort of dive into that a little bit more uh let's go to uh let's go to Faith and let me also say faith uh before you jump in uh everyone's welcome to to type their questions in the chat or comments in the chat if they feel comfortable with that I didn't mention that at the outset but


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yeah okay hi Faith hi um can you hear me okay yeah I hear you great I would have maybe tyed my question then but um so yeah I was thinking a lot about okay I love everything that's being talked about with regards to Future abilities and how that requires um us exploring the these uh alternative um models of or consciousnesses of time and um just how um like the like I feel like that that would be such a relief from um what I feel like is a poverty Consciousness with regards to time um Poverty of time


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Consciousness that comes directly from um well industrialization right where like clocks started to you know to be used to to um coordinate like uh trains let's say um you know and and so it was very useful um for that purpose um and I feel like okay so it's useful to for a collaboration as we understand it is is like to really be measuring time and to to to to be conscious of that all the time and that's why it's under our Consciousness and so like if we are like exploring in um non um you know other forms that


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aren't like this um how does co-creation happen it like like does it require new idea of what collaboration is um you know like is is there anything that we can uh learn from all this like deer everything that you mentioned from the sources yeah great great question uh in some ways I feel I always feel unprepared to answer and then always feel ready to throw in my hat and say we need that kind of orientation just you're speaking of social collaboration uh or how we kind of come together yeah well planetary


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Consciousness I assume involves action at a at some sort of collective level um and so um like some of like I'm I'm not sure you're saying this like this this strongly but like I feel like you're saying and we can start with a different kind of time Consciousness um and I'm wondering like well maybe it's just we're not going to give up clock time I guess but like just how it drives with um clock time and is there like a whole new sort of like maybe even vaster way to cocreate I'm just going to use that


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word um uh that isn't reliant on clock time excellent question uh I would just say yes and there's different ways to answer it every everything from you know transitional let's say economic and legal approaches that are attempting to kind of identify um you know different forms of value different forms of sovereignty just that the sort of jur jurist Prudence kind of level with you know Common agreements about carbon emissions or um you know rainforest protection Etc there's that kind of level where there's


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okay we need to acknowledge the the temporex of the Biore region as being important and and usurping the importance of uh GDP or extraction of resources Etc so there's that kind of very practical level but then I think you know there's there's a Biore Regional time scale that I think a lot of us can plug in and and this is just a a future ability one of many but but one that I tend to like is uh I really appreciate Joe Brewer's work with Biore regionalism and um it's this idea again


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I think the principle of it is we are all kind of working towards uh localizing our our activities towards Biore Regional regeneration but then there's a kind of horizontal uh scaling right or horizontal coordination that looks like multiple bio regions that are starting to kind of come online together and work in concert with one another so there's this kind of growing down into the local localist and the present but there's also this ability to kind of cross reference share notes and


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be able to kind of coordinate Collective activity at a larger scale I think also you know uh again more more in the kind of mainstream macroeconomic question about labor but the the democratization of labor whatever that looks like just in terms of um unionization or or democratizing the workplace Etc and having a bit more um leverage and power just as a distributed sense and worker solidarity go a long way from to to kind of helping stem some of the more extractive hyper capitalist kind of activities that we see today so I I this


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is something I push back with like I don't think they do a bad job at it but with perspectiva um we were talking about you know the um the making sure that we're advocating for free societies and I think we also need to be advocating for democratized economies as well right the sense that you know labor will play a role in sort of mediating this planetary transition does that make sense uh just in terms of the scale that we're talking about in terms of planetary scale I think we have to go to


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the Biore region there's a kind of counterintuitive move to to the local as it plugs back into the global yeah and I I think I I like that a lot I mean I feel like what you were talking about just um at the end there was like the social issue of time equality you know just how right now it's socioeconomically kind of like some people have time and some people just don't right and um and uh so the idea of going locally then makes it more possible because of the ACT actual um spatial proximity um like kind of helping to to


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coordinate at that so the space becomes you know if you are working in that space then the time can be less sort of metric and more you know kind of relational determined and so that that makes sense like each local maybe then has its own sort of timelines you know right exactly but but the the general emphasis here just again more into the socioeconomic is is uh the localization of of of our productivity of of Labor of food and other resources of restoring water sheds Etc um I think has has a kind of um there's a sort of radicality


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in the slowing down saying like Okay well we are resilient and robust enough to be able to draw our resources locally and to do so in a sustainable way where we're not needing to have the kind of hyper capitalist time of of globalization where we get our uh our meat you know grown in one per one area of the world flown to another to be processed and flown back right there's a sense of saying no to so many of the extractive hyper capitalist time that I think is is a big part of this which


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again is why like I think you know in our circles uh we don't talk too much about Labor and economy and it can be a little dry but but I do think there's some radically transformative practices that are totally in line with you know again this is principle of being able to slow down and it's much more relational much more ecological but it's also radical in the sense of reclaiming time reclaiming the present from clock time and from timea productivity or time as as money you know to say no to that and


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to say yes to a different kind of time that still nourishes us and takes care of the bottom line subsistence needs I think is is one of the most interesting and more difficult places for cultural experimentation just in terms of okay how did the new economy start working then how how can we encourage experiment ations and radicality how do we use the kind of um again Leverage The the pathos of of hypermodernity right of of uh hyper productivity as a kind of negative Universal to kind of go yes there's this


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negative bad consciousness of time that we're all kind of laboring under that we need to emancipate ourselves from everyone experiences clock time in this sort of negative way so how do we actually use that as a sort of tool or energy towards transformation right there's a kind of there's a drive to get out of that and I think we can work with that drive towards something that's more constructive and creative uh but I think again it's going to require so much experimentation and we're kind of we're


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talking now at the kind of civilizational transition level where we're beginning to try to imagine how to live differently and a lot of it has to do with like yeah just sort of a science fiction imagination too right like what are these future societies look like that have a different relationship with time and still figured out how to feed people and Etc and uh yeah we need to have Foster a space where that's all talked about and and identified yeah yeah thanks yeah thank you Faith great


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questions yeah anyone else want to jump in I see some comments yeah Carrie's saying as a poet I'm interested in what you said about how some of these things can be said more uh sayable po poetically than in other ways have you anything more to say about why that is ah yeah um I I mean I think for me personally I've I've been always between the the the academic the humanities and uh the artistic and creative uh I started out as doing lots of illustrations and I was thinking about getting into art as an


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adult and I and uh creative fiction writing but I mve towards philosophy in the humanities uh so for me like the poetic has always had just sort of a um sort of always haunted me in a good way right like because I found found that um there's just something about the poetic utterance there's something about creativity generally speaking imagination uh that is able to without filter transmit that kind of social complexity the spontaneity of a new order right there's something profoundly


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[Music] um intensifying about the right kind of art right that instills a new subjectivity in us a new attitude in US and I love the connections historically uh when even in modernity there were breakthroughs in in physics right that were kind of happening alongside these breakthroughs in art in perspective like Picasso for instance and this is sort of gs's jam uh in in everpresent origin he's looking at these these historical moments in the in particularly in the west uh and in modernity where uh the


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artist is is is is uh helping to generate a new world viiew right generate a new subjectivity but they're being generated by it too because they're sensitive enough to these these cultural Transformations but it can't be articulated in quite a systematic way it can't exactly be formalized until a little bit later on when you know there's the right physicist and there's the right um uh Economist Etc that's sort of expressing a new cultural mentality in a different form and even


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then it's non-reductive to that right there there's something about the sort of um in exhaustiveness of the creative expression of creative utterance so I hope that kind of speaks to that and then I I think I'm always going back to uh understanding our role if if we see ourselves as kind of transdisciplinary generalists uh our role is a bit like the artist and that you know like the artist we have to develop a kind of sensitivity or we come with we're born with this sort of sensitivity to these


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invisible transformations in the present and like the artist who writes a poem about it or a painting or tells a story um we feel moved to somehow concretize that transformation to to render visible the invisible to some degree as the artist always does and our role is very much like the artist in this sense um I'm not getting this from myself this is very much what you know Marsha mclan talked about with um evolution of media Landscapes right he he always talks about how the artist is a sort of early


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warning signal for the larger culture as is undergoing some kind of transformation I think you know our role in in in the larger culture is sort of similar to the artists in that way and that we're we're sensitive to something going on this bigger cultural transformation that's largely invisible it's distributed across everything going on around us again a sort of background ontology and like the artist we're trying to bring bring something um to bring it into sayable words right that


00:41:55 - 00:42:53
uh sufficient ly Express the attitude that we're feeling or the changes that we're that we're sensing into um at least that's how I understand what we're up to yeah and then just Susan before we jump to Maran uh at the smaller collaborative group levels one of the delightful impacts of uh holding a wider sense of temp porks is modeling our ability to shift frequencies and more overtly sense into the different qualities of time that are arising exactly and this is what we're doing with the gser labs and


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in the mutations community generally speaking what Susan's um really been showcasing how we can formalize these into kinds of practices right how do we develop for those of you who haven't dived into gser you know he has these particular structures of Consciousness he's working with and articulating how do we um begin to familiarize ourselves with this round of of different forms of time right these different senseful orientations with time in a way that we can really dynamically shift back and


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forth with them identify them and really flow with them uh there's a kind of compositional um sense that one gets as you really kind of do this work so yeah fantastic Susan thank you uh Maryann would you like to jump in good to see you hi uh this isn't a question I just wanted to tell a little story that in a way speaks to the Poetics of the land uh and experience that I've had uh on the east side of glacier Park quite close to the Canadian border and I should I should acknowledge Bill Plotkin uh and his work here which


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um bill was the one that told me to pay attention and it has been very very fruitful so last spring i i i here's the the long and short of it my left uh brain skeptic is is very upset by this but I hear things I hear words I get messages in this place so last spring I was sitting meditatively at two Medicine Lake which is uh part of Glacier National Park and what I heard were the words see through the dimensions which at the time I found like I had no cognitive understanding and it's only this morning listening to


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what you've said today Jeremy that I start to realize that that the wider context and a way of hearing those words um so I share that from two Medicine Lake to all of you oh thank you Maran Wow have uh chills a little bit speaking of rendering the visible invisible visible yes yes um I think this is quite poetically as well exactly what we're trying to do right uh this pointing into and this is something gster talks about that poetry is a is the history of the dateless um there's a sense that events


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have occurred but they haven't occurred in in chronological time there's a sort of dimensionality that's nevertheless there there's a there there and how do we speak of that there how do we tell of it because it's not just something that's um out of relationship with our present it's it's a kind of invisible dark matter in a way or dark energy of the present right that is nevertheless involved in our worlding activities and I think for us uh it's very much always this conundrum and


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Paradox and and and a beautiful one of attempting to render those dimmensions into into the material without reducing them right there's a sense that it's always kind of um uh I'm thinking of to theological Concepts right the the the the Eastern Orthodox icon right there's a sort of bringing into material with like material paints Etc the sacred um or in in the Catholic imagination right there's a sacramental imagination right the the the object the bread that becomes more than the bread right the


00:46:25 - 00:47:30
wine that becomes more than the wi there's a sense of sacramental imagination here that I think um is very very true for us as well the sense of seeing through uh seeing through the world what is presently going on um these big big Transformations that are so difficult to talk about um and then we live through across Generations right like um Bill Thompson was so good at emphasizing that the the transformation from one cultural mentality into a new one uh it's something that takes place over hundreds


00:46:58 - 00:48:00
of years many different artists and historians and philosophers and events that helped shape that transformation it's not something that happens overnight it's not something that necessarily happens in a lifetime although you might say like there's some quickening happening these days for sure um it it allows us to kind of both more appropriately respond to what is present and thereby strengthen it Quicken it embolden and intensify it and then slow down enough to not kind of feel like the


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whole thing's on our shoulders right um which I think is this again that kind of um old attitude that we that no longer serves Us in this present um we can act towards the transformation of our society Etc uh without needing to kind of have this attitude of all of us figuring it out right now even though there's so much pressure to do that right in the clock time kind of way um ironically slowing down and being in relationship and and finding the right kinds of relations to bring forward is


00:48:02 - 00:49:13
going to be a quicker quote unquote path towards um resiliency of these Futures right of of future ability itself than trying to systematically kind of figure it all out um and then there's a sense I think that maran's speaking to you of just uh the living a relationship with the invisible in the present uh which may not translate into talking about um bi Regional regenerative cultural practices uh Etc but the the fullness of what it means to be a human being to be alive and be in relationship with the


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invisible as as human beings have through ART and through the secred have have always had the ability to do right and to fulfill in the way that we are accorded to fulfill it in our time so anyway great great comments and questions uh let's go to Tom hey Tom good to see you too hey Jeremy I'm glad I happen to see this was happening and I have to read the article but uh and I don't know what I'm going to ask you to do because you started to do it again just now but there was something early


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on in this where you talked about being able to be in a I just had this experience of being very much in a present that was completely open and there was no time constraint and there was no urgency there was no feeling of what you were just talking about of I have to do something about this now and I just wonder what more you can say I I know R is on here and Collective presencing is amazing there there's all these but just more maybe about in the moment inperson practice to open up that perspective of and I ever person origin


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I'm sure is another good term for it but how how to make that more present and as a basis for any Biore Regional or other action ah beautiful question uh again one of the ones that's impossible to answer definitively right um yeah I mean how I've been finding it is is uh I'm I'm spoiled a little bit because of where I'm situated with with my partner where in Vermont and there's a history here of localism and small farms long history of it so a lot of the the the food networks and and resources that I


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have here are uh they're not bior regionally necessarily oriented but uh there are a lot of initiatives around here and uh I I feel a bit more connected with the kinds of food and the farm Farmers that are growing it here and the land that it's growing on um and this I'm I'm recognizing is is a kind of project that is not universally accessible but I think we can this when it comes to our practices in everyday life uh we can certainly learn to slow down a little bit and I think one of the


00:51:13 - 00:52:23
examples of doing this is is actually gardening um is growing food and paying special attention to the way in which time unfolds for the the nonhuman relations that we are watching to grow and participating in in the nurturing of right whether it's an indoor garden or outdoor Garden I think gardening is a very contemplative practice especially if if it involves foods and herbs that we eat um you know any of us can really if we have the time of course uh clock time bearing down on us as as it always


00:51:47 - 00:52:50
is um but beginning to get a sense of what kind of this is more of an animistic practice but getting a sense of the kinds of food uh that grows near us just in terms of the herbs in terms of medicinal ones right like ones that really grow that have a long history in the region that have um that maybe show up during particular seasons where there's you know I don't know lots of head colds right maybe there's respiratory herbs that show up you know that are available really kind of getting those sorts of living


00:52:19 - 00:53:25
connections with the Earth around us and the world around us now if we want to move that Beyond and and say like okay let's develop a kind of herbal plant medicine practice and um animistic practices that that would be I think one way of really bringing forth in in gser terms that the magic and the Mythic along with the archaic right uh but I think just generally speaking contemplate of gardening paying attention to time paying attention to the food that we eat um and the relationships that we are we are


00:52:52 - 00:53:46
engendering by eating anything you know whether it's from Aldi or Walmart or the local farm right there there's a sense of uh relational Consciousness that I think we can really begin to practice with our food especially um and with the things that we grow things that we eat the things that we grow um this is a very like Torin kind of answer right like what what's really what's a really earthy temporex that you can start to get grounded in in relationship with um not all of us are going to have energy


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or time to get involved in you know Watershed activities or cleaning a river Etc um but I think you know an awareness of that also is is very helpful too um even in an urban space there there's a consciousness of that and there's various initiatives and projects I've seen many from you know living living in Florida to spending some time in in Oakland and uh knowing that there's a few waterways that make their way under the concrete um that we can we can help so there there's little things like that


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I think really help us start to get res situated um and then the other stuff is really hard to articulate I don't know I don't um just uh I do a lot of work with Tim pork so for me I I get to cheat in this way and I I always need to teach it and host classes on this and and I'm also reading and writing about it so I I have a lot of prompts to to reflect on the nature of how I'm embodying time and how time is embodying me uh you know deep time practices I think are also really helpful here too


00:54:25 - 00:55:37
though um if if you have more of a sense of uh uh you know moving beyond the Garden or in adjacent to the Garden I think getting familiar um yeah Ramona saying deep time is in the garden getting familiar again with the local wild uh flora and its histories and the histories of the land uh is also quite a a good sort of at least educational experience but uh for me living here in the in the in the Green Mountains I I've enjoyed this absolute fun deep dive into the geological history The evolutionary


00:55:01 - 00:56:10
history of the organisms that are here I'm very enlivened by those kinds of inquiries so I I find a kind of yoga in in studying you know um the first flowering creatures and how the Appalachia and mountain range is connected to Scotland and you know the first Forest were really growing around here right um so that kind of history is very much alive in me and can live in us if we have the right kind of education with it and and so on so that all helps too um but this might be very very very idiosyncratic depending on who you ask


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and that's what comes out for me yeah does that make sense yeah yeah thanks for that I mean I have this I don't know when I will do it maybe next summer of wanting to return to my genetic homeland of Scotland but I I I'm realizing I'm less interested in traveling and realizing that what you're saying right now I have this amazing um opportunity because of of indigenous cultures who weren't destroyed here in New Mexico and especially I have a connection with acma and I got to go to the feast day for the


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first time in three years because of Co um and my backyard is brutally hot so I would have to build a structure to grow anything here but I'm realizing the connections I've made locally are all with indigenous people there's three sisters collective in Santa Fe and they're all based in in um growing foods and so on the three sisters and so that is one way I will kind of more deeply pursue but thank you that was that was very helpful yeah thank thank you Tom uh as as Rosemary is saying geology history land


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acknowledgement and just throwing and gardening there I think is is is great and and history could be our history land history um evolutionary history I think all of that really again and then engenders this sense of deep time right a deep relationship with place in the present um you can go quite as far with with just doing that um and I would love to see this as more of kind of an educational initiative right speaking of pedagogi I think you know if um newer Generations emerging Generations were


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kind of raised in that sort of deep temporal context with their own sense of place um they might grow up to be a little bit different uh enacting different practices uh so I was going to mention something else about about all this but I think that's that's a good place to answer that question and to leave it for now so yeah those are some little practices around slowing down being in better relationship with the present and time and the more than human um we can take those in in much further


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directions in terms of animism working with um plants and if you know if there's a kind of animistic relationship that you can develop with them or even you know there's good science behind it as well there's good Western science behind um a lot of medicinal practices and such but um it really helps to uh transform the landscape from a landscape to a an Ecology of different beings that we are already in relationship with and that different aspects of our own being in the world and embodiment um are already in


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relationship with right like in terms of our own health and well-being right to really kind of work with the uh the land as a kind of multitudinous um multi-textured multi- enlivened inter agency uh that's sort of the the aim here so that that kind of allowing that to kind of Blossom in us um okay great let's jump to Allison Hello Jeremy good to see you um I probably have shared this before but it seems like a good time to talk about the practice that I sit with a lot which is the body lives outside of time clock


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time and so the body doesn't live in the past or in the future it lives in a biological now and if we Orient and be land in the the actual sensat feel of our bodies that will open into the mysteries of time that are not that are in the realm of chyos and no time and um and that's something that's immediately available I mean you C you don't have to go gardening for this you can actually practice it right now on Zoom you know you can sense your physicality and your body and that will slow down because


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you're bringing the energy down out of the head into the body and it's a slowing down process and then it opens out and um yeah so just just mentioning that as something that's always available yeah thank you Allison that's great uh again I I agree that the sense of uh you don't need to Garden but you can certainly become very present with our animal body um what is that Mary Oliver poem about the animal body I can't quite recall the line but um there's a deep affirmation of it uh


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through that poem but uh yes there there's again this is this is very Garian language but I mentioned the word already senseful um so much of this thematically is is in line with what GBS was talking about right this sense of uh the the new or the integral mutation or emerging Consciousness um it is fundamentally return to senseful I I think uh there's a predisposition in the in the modern and in you know again using the language here with kepser the jargon uh the mental structure U orients


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towards has a tendency towards abstraction uh has a tendency towards sort of you know experiencing the world a few layers a few inches above the ground and then a few layers of of abstraction away and looking back at it um there's a standing apart and a looking back which even itself is a kind of body gesture but that experience of of desensitizing ourselves right is is sort of has co-mingled with the history of the of the mental structure and the perspectival world the past few hundred years that we've been um living under


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and living through with clock time and globalization Etc um and I think part of the the shift uh which makes this really interesting and again thematically about sort of return a r Torin return to groundedness um or in in Bruno Lor's language a back toe right a down toe movement is that this new mutation or this reorientation of of the of the intergal is a return to senseful it's a return back down to earth it's a slowing down right it almost looks like reversal and it is reversal in many ways but to


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reverse is not to undo what we've we've accomplished it's it's to to bring it back into relationship right with that that wider and Wilder context uh the the cartisian mind has to be folded back into a relationship with the whole not destroyed not undone but folded back in and that folding back in is going to be by necessity something emergent and new because it's not going to be undone modernity is not going to completely disappear the achievement of you know standing apart from nature and


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abstraction and clock time and Science and all of this all these wonderful and terrible things that we've innovated in these past few hundred years needs to find a new relationship with the whole but this is again why I like to shy away from stage models because there's this um understandable but also continuously problematic attitude right that this the next stage right and the one after the modern is the postmodern or the metamodern right but really it's this it's this kind of


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overview effect and and a turning back towards a relationship with the whole and we see this I think in as a kind of meta pattern itself in in in nature we see many different periods in Earth's history where there's a kind of promulgation of a new a new organism and a new um ability of a bio region let's say like the world's first forests right um creating all of this tree material uh which wasn't able to be broken down right until fungus and other bacteria kind of figured out figured out how to


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how to do that right so there's uh you know that's why we have the Carboniferous period and we can go into the ground and dig up all of these fossilized bits of coal from ancient trees that they weren't broken down and composted yet but nature found a way how to do it right and the same thing with alga and photosynthesis there was this wild destabilization and a restructuration of the world um but now we can't really imagine Gaia and Earth without the world's forests and without


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uh photosynthesizing organisms so there's this question of how do we how are we going to integrate the strange activity of Being Human with the rest of our guyan homeostasis right haven't quite figured that out yet that's sort of an open question but um yeah I'm just this is a long-winded way Alison of saying senseful coming back down to earth um and reversal and return as sort of the the nature of this movement rather than a sort of an advancement into a higher level right I think all of


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these themes are very important and thematically coherent yeah it it it brings back what um Lisa mentioned at the beginning which is this sense of things uh coming to you so what my experience has been over the years is that rather than trying to make something happen in the future right what happens now is that things uh come to me and something then gestates and forms itself and then it's a kind of uh interesting relationship with the past what's appearing in the now and what what's emerging so I think this senseful


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is really key um uh to uh to what you're talking about I mean I can't imagine another way actually being somebody who tends to be up here and same you know I'm always having to read all of this Theory and yes um and then then you could you can drop down yeah but it's okay to do that movement you know like I think for especially as moderns like we have to like give ourselves the benefit of the doubt and uh well it's okay to fly off it's just important to come back down you like it has to be a tether there's


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usefulness in some of that efficient mental activity I mean uh so it's not I don't want to throw that out but the senseful to me is the portal yes exactly exactly yeah and this is I think the sort of unique voice that I think gser continues to offer in our spaces uh not the only voice but uh just a sort of one of these foundational thinkers that's been circulating in our communities quite a bit intergenerationally uh this this senseful orientation uh I just don't find it as as explicitly


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stated enough as I feel like it really needs to be today especially with um meta discourse and trying to solve civilizational crisis and factor in all of the different dimensions and um you know have our kind of top tier Thousand Mile High analysis looking down um I you know that's part of it certainly but that's always the emphasis I think we we go towards as as Timothy Timothy Morton jokes um you know modernity has always been anything you can do I can do meta like there's this kind of move that's a


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very intuitive move in gesture for moderns to kind of go okay we need to go one level higher in order to kind of grasp everything going on um that there there's there's an orthogonal move here it looks like a return um but it also is a kind of folding into the whole there's a wholeness and complexity there that isn't necessarily best described as as a higher complexity a higher level um it's meta in the sense of metaxi in in terms of the emology of that word being relational right it's through above


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Beyond under over there's a kind of um multi-dimensional dance that the word and its atmology actually is is is um conting for us that I think it gets lost a little bit we can we tend to emphasis the higher rather than the relational and the prepositional um um overdetermination of the word right meta uh it's it's there's a plasticity in it that I think is you know pointing to what I'm pointing to here the characteristic of this planetary mentality plasticity and transparency um


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anyway great thank you Allison and thank you somebody found the poem uh let's see yeah Rosemary wild geese by Mary Oliver and Ramona quoted it you only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves exactly uh wonderful let's jump to Walter and we got about 15 minutes 20 minutes or so to wrap up so if you have questions definitely jump in hey Walter hello can you me me uh just barely I know I know your audio is a little tricky sometimes so just make sure to speak up and I think


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we'll we got you okay have problems yeah there's there's kind of a background sound but okay then I will take my my headone I I come again okay please continue please continue great yeah and if anyone else has questions about um either the article series or gser or um you know since we're wrapping up to just an inquiry around uh what we might want to dive into for a future talk would also be great you know if there's something we wanted to really lean into um an area of questions or um work with gser for for


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those of you who know there's an annual Gaper course that's going to be starting come February and enrollment for that should be opening up soon so if you are interested in sort of the the annual Deep dive into Jean geser's work and everpresent origin uh that's coming up so uh you might want to save your questions for that as well if if you're really looking to Deep dive but by all means feel free to ask whatever here okay let's see yeah Danny hey good to see you Walter is


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ready okay let's see uh Walter you want to give it a try well it sounds a little better already is it okay now oh yes that's better much much better just a moment I'm it's too loud for me is it okay now perfect okay just a few remarks uh the session is called living in a new time and the the quantity of informations is for me always very difficult to first to understand and secondly to digest but uh it's also of course always very very uh exciting it was just nearly 50 years


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ago when uh Gaba fall into my life uh for the first time in the 1917s and um it was a time when I started to teach at University students who wanted to become teachers for mental and severely mental and multiply handicapped persons and with my uh mental rational way of thinking it was difficult to find approach to what in those days opened and uh but I don't want to talk about that time and now it nearly took 45 years GES uh I follow geser geser accompanied me and uh I felt it's a living in a new


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time but I couldn't understand I couldn't catch it still I I can't well so I want to tell you where I'm now I just now in a very few sentence and remarks and uh what me what touches me mostly these days is that all what's going around us also the the climate discussion now again globally next next days that globally they will discuss again is still a continuation of our mental rational deficient way of handling ourselves our communication and the world and there's not at any place I feel that at any


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place is uh a moment where the circle between Earth and I say in my in my way of thinking Heaven I mean Heaven also in the May of climate of planetary but of course beyond beyond what what is beyond the rainbow and uh now I what my what what me touches these days most is I feel I know and from GSA from your community from Jeremy this uh transcending this mental rational way of living on this Earth and in the community and to find this new uh understanding of our in of an integral of an looking through a


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whole of connecting connecting things and that in this moment there are two dangerous there are two two dangerous moments the one is to give up the the self is we do it nowadays is in a kind of self-destruction the other way is the task to transcend this mental personal ego in a ego free and in a e- free uh mode and to find another self and if this happens with all these um attitudes sces describes if this happens I was just reading again at the end of epo uh Pages 530 around that um when this would be possible events


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and uh phenomen will set themselves right something happens just beyond myself without myself at the same at the same time through myself with me and uh not not I I I don't know how to handle this life situation how to to Comm communicate it to a group like yours how to catch things you are talking in this way so living in a new time aty what what is that Point well not point but uh is how does is it a new Earth and a new Heaven uh being born through us and with the help of the G the spiritual what is


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it these are companies what a question um I love it I love it uh yeah um fantastic question I feel like it gets to the heart of of gs's work and uh to the sort of present challenge of my own work a theoretical and creative challenge of my own work which is um you know that there's laying the sum theoretical groundwork for next month in in my book how do we have a Time without progress uh what What's Left how do we really understand what's at work here in our own present and and what has


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been uh what we have been working on with this whole strange thing called life and and Gaia and uh the spiritual right um I I think part of this is it certainly is what you're speaking to alluding to right at the end there with [Music] um with help from the spiritual with help from the spiritual principle origin in gst's language or sprung uh he he's very evasive with really pinning down what he means by that but then uh he he Pro provides some very contemplative Insight when he does uh he describes it


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as the itself and he speaks about again poetry being the history of the dateless here that you know the pro the spiritual processes that are at work in us and working through us um are not just the human not just human volition right that this is an activity of of the spiritual and of the imagination as much as as it is or perhaps more than it is the material in the historical right the material in historical is an expression of many more Dimensions um so there there's a kind of mystery at work in


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here about what we're exactly participating in when we talk about this integral mutation or this transformation of human culture and Consciousness it's it yes it has to do with the history of the human being but there's also um more than a than a history of the human there's a participation of the human in this larger mystery this larger mystery of um origin or the creative principle uh and it seems to be if we see it from that view uh a mystery that all of life is sharing and participating in right


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this this creative principle of bringing forth all of these interesting and new form forms and undergoing kind of kind of Perpetual way metamorphosis um so that's what I'm drawn to is as I hear you speaking you know I love how you framed it there's this way of self-destruction that's one way we can wrap up this story of the human in relation to the spiritual right there's this conclusion to our story of unfoldment where our transformation occurs in spite of us and then there's


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this other story that I think many of us wish to enact which is a transformation that we say yes to in turn right it's already saying yes to us it's already moving us there's already a volitional aspect here that goes beyond the human uh when we turn towards what's already rising to meet us that's when things get interesting and potentially transformative rather than destruction it's the other path right it's it's the other path you speak of it's the path of to give oneself up to this as love the


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way you phrase it to the other self to to find an other self um there's this mystery of an other self that's in us and I think it's you know very much this mystery of metamorphosis uh we're always finding this principle I think in in all living things there's always an other self in us whether it's The Unborn or an ancestor um and it goes very strange and far back right there's not just the human right there's the the more than human perhaps both in the into the our


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future and into the deep past so the the the chimeric nature of the self is always sort of opening us up in this strange way um so to find another self right and then the nature it seems to be of of nature is this ongoing transformation right nature itself is just sort of um I'm borrowing again from from coochi as he describes it as a cocoon for for metamorphosis right Gaia as a cocoon for metamorphosis and organisms when we see them across time and space are are this kind of Shifting morphing cocoon right a shifting of


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bodies a shifting of relationships a shifting of identities the human being if if we are being invited to do anything right now it's it's having or having the spiritual strength to turn towards that principle of creativity and metamorphosis and say yes to it to it and therefore yes to our own becoming other our own becoming new and I think this is what our moment's really about um you know we see this principle throughout all of nature but I think it's very interesting if we begin to view our own history as as a


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history of metamorphosis right uh as as plasticity and creativity as unmaking making and remaking of the self and of the world um if that's our history then we're saying yes to something an intensification of something that's always been a part of us it's been there at the beginning and it's is here with us us now um and it's a creative principle it's a it's again this principle of the imagination gser says you know where creativity is PR present there is origin right there is the


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spiritual so we can take this work pretty profoundly far just in terms of what we're at what we're at work here but there's a creative spiritual principle that I think you're touching on and that I'm very much trying to articulate in in in the work right now does this make sense Walter I'm kind of getting at here it was very good and thank you very much J and just to all of you um just these days where the the Jewish culture and the Muslim culture and Christian culture somehow


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too and uh others to are so strongly fighting against each other you know they all but just uh uh move it in your mind I I don't I'm not a missionary not at all uh all this is under this spiritual how say roof for it's it's all connected and we have to we have to talk about it and we have to also if you don't can can't give answers and just if you are interested uh I uh already told already uh um Jeremy and the um there is a um movement in Egypt it is called seim s e k k a e m seim s e k e m


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it's a um a movement to Agriculture and uh uh trying to create a new world and it's based on the Islam and on this religion at the same time very close to GSA and they just in a very new publication one year ago they they uh underline geser's idea of uh changing our Consciousness to the integral way of seeing the whole have a look in that and it it it it encourages me that's a very concrete uh real doing there a big Community Based on the Islam which I Islam which I don't know well and uh


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this uh encourages me to to go that way you just repeated Germany in a very good good way and I think we should at least again and again touch this point and not to do as if if when we change ourself yeah something will the world will change and a little bit bio bio agriculture a little bit l and a little bit it's not we will destroy or people will destroy if they can't go into this other metamorphosis I don't know how then the shape our shape of a human being will look like I don't know maybe you have


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the answer I very interested to hear that thank you thank you Walter fantastic share and uh yeah just briefly we'll jump to Dan in just a moment uh and then we'll we'll wrap up for today after but um yeah I think more than ever we're talking about plasticity and this capacity to engage this creative spiritual principle to reimagine our world and reimagine ourselves to find an other self right as you as you wonderfully said um we need this this characteristic more than ever today to do any of the things we've been


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talking about to engage with a new time to develop new social cultural practices in very grounded ways um we need this plasticity of imagination and cultural experimentation in a practical way that's like plasticity of our material economic social institutions and then but in the in the heart right that the poetic spiritual heart of this is is this embracing of creative imagination of embracing of the spiritual principle um to be a bit more intimate with the as gser in his poem Rose poem I think in


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the gentle diaphaneity of things right uh there's a sense in which that that allows us to soften ourselves and and be able to bring forth something new to engage with our own transformation I think that's really the the the work that's at hand here um I know we're at two but for those of you who can let's just stay a little bit longer if we can or you know if you got it jump that's totally fine the recording will be posted uh but let's jump to Danny and then we'll we'll wrap up


01:26:57 - 01:28:24
um yeah everything you keep saying is just another way to say what I'm going to say which is I I was um you know paying attention sensing you know what was resonating and Maran who is no who left the call her her moment the voice of seeing through the dimensions when I heard that that felt different right it also felt like this is the way to uh to make contact with all that we're speaking of here and and so what I wanted to add is yes see and there's a pause we have to go slow here right see through the


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dimensions listen through the dimensions sense through the dimension and then I'm going to say those three again which is C in the dimension from that Dimension uh listen from that dimension in that Dimension and then sense in that Dimension from that Dimension slowly it feels like that's developing our capacity to go back to what um uh oh I'm not sure is she's still here but the the informational overwhelm right it's our response to that from which dimension am I going to experience that informational or


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inspirational overwhelm I'm going to even say that right and that that's all of that is Garian right that's how Garian allows allows us to move and I guess I guess my point is I'm trying to say it's a practice to inhabit any of the dimensions whether they're dimensions of time or space to inhabit them for a moment and then move to another something gets more Digest Ed when I do that in me it's like oh that channel so this is very beautiful beautiful thank you Danny I appreciate


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that closing practice as well uh as we bow out for today hopefully a little bit more senseful a little bit more leaning in seeing in being in being from uh I appreciate you all thanks so much for attending today and hopefully see you if you got time next month for uh the revisioning the history of Consciousness uh if you've got some time definitely bring your notebooks for that one we'll see how far we can get with it but all right take care everybody talk soon bye bye